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13F filer, CIK 1288125, New York, NY

Selz Capital LLC reported $339,793,000 across 53 holdings for the quarter ended 2018-12-31, in a 13F-HR filed 2019-01-24. Its ten largest share positions make up 57.09% of the portfolio.

Filed (acceptance time not in the bulk data set), ingested 13F-HR 0000950123-19-000278

Period
2018-12-31
Reported value
$340M
Holdings
53
Top 10 weight
57.09%
New
16
Sold out
16

Largest buys vs the previous quarter

SecurityShares changeApprox. value
GOOGLnew+14,700$15.4M
AMZNnew+9,000$13.5M
NFLXnew+47,000$12.6M
URIadded+88,000$9.02M
TTWOnew+82,000$8.44M

Ranked by the share change valued at this quarter's implied price (value over shares in the 13F). A position sold out is valued at the previous quarter's price, its last report.

Largest sells vs the previous quarter

SecurityShares changeApprox. value
Texited-570,000-$19.1M
VMCexited-142,820-$15.9M
GCI LIBERTY INC COM CLASS Areduced-356,000-$14.7M
CZRreduced-2,008,483-$13.6M
WPMexited-669,300-$11.7M

Ranked by the share change valued at this quarter's implied price (value over shares in the 13F). A position sold out is valued at the previous quarter's price, its last report.

Holdings, Q4 2018

Share positions as resolved from 13F-HR 0000950123-19-000278, largest first. % of portfolio is the value over $339,550,000, the sum of the share positions whose value is usable for ratios (method).

SecurityHistorySharesValue% of portfolioChangeLatest eventTimeline
ALAIR LEASE CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 989,800 shares; 2018Q2: 989,800 shares; 2018Q3: 989,800 shares; 2018Q4: 1,234,800 shares 1,234,800$37.3M10.99%+245,000Timeline
SPX CORPSPX CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 832,801 shares; 2018Q2: 944,655 shares; 2018Q3: 1,058,500 shares; 2018Q4: 951,000 shares 951,000$26.6M7.85%-107,500
URIUNITED RENTALS INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: 158,000 shares; 2018Q3: 99,499 shares; 2018Q4: 187,499 shares 187,499$19.2M5.66%+88,000Timeline
TMQTRILOGY METALS INC NEWQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 5,276,488 shares; 2018Q2: 10,277,412 shares; 2018Q3: 10,347,458 shares; 2018Q4: 10,479,456 shares 10,479,456$18.1M5.34%+131,998Timeline
MACQUARIE INFRASTRUCTURE HO…MACQUARIE INFRASTRUCTURE HOLDIQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 1,079,527 shares; 2018Q2: 1,037,511 shares; 2018Q3: 482,615 shares; 2018Q4: 482,615 shares 482,615$17.6M5.2%0
WPX ENERGY INCWPX ENERGY INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 525,000 shares; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: 1,395,626 shares; 2018Q4: 1,395,626 shares 1,395,626$15.8M4.66%0
GOOGLALPHABET INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 16,000 shares; 2018Q2: 9,000 shares; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 14,700 shares 14,700$15.4M4.52%newTimeline
CCCHEMOURS COQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 261,900 shares; 2018Q2: 341,900 shares; 2018Q3: 304,900 shares; 2018Q4: 540,900 shares 540,900$15.3M4.5%+236,000Timeline
ATHENE HOLDING LTDATHENE HOLDING LTDQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 233,796 shares; 2018Q2: 233,796 shares; 2018Q3: 233,796 shares; 2018Q4: 375,163 shares 375,163$14.9M4.4%+141,367
AMZNAMAZON COM INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 9,000 shares 9,000$13.5M3.98%newTimeline
NFLXNETFLIX INC.Quarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 47,000 shares 47,000$12.6M3.7%newTimeline
MGMMGM RESORTS INTERNATIONALQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 363,528 shares; 2018Q2: 613,528 shares; 2018Q3: 598,528 shares; 2018Q4: 470,000 shares 470,000$11.4M3.36%-128,528Timeline
ARLPALLIANCE RESOURCE PARTNERS LQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 235,600 shares; 2018Q2: 578,534 shares; 2018Q3: 578,534 shares; 2018Q4: 578,534 shares 578,534$10M2.95%0Timeline
EGEVEREST GROUP LTDQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 40,000 shares; 2018Q2: 40,000 shares; 2018Q3: 40,000 shares; 2018Q4: 40,000 shares 40,000$8.71M2.57%0Timeline
TTWOTAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE SOFTWARQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 82,000 shares 82,000$8.44M2.49%newTimeline
CZRCZRQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 2,123,185 shares; 2018Q2: 3,110,483 shares; 2018Q3: 3,175,483 shares; 2018Q4: 1,167,000 shares 1,167,000$7.92M2.33%-2,008,483
NEW RELIC INCNEW RELIC INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 92,400 shares 92,400$7.48M2.2%new
GCI LIBERTY INC COM CLASS AGCI LIBERTY INC COM CLASS AQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 532,018 shares; 2018Q2: 532,018 shares; 2018Q3: 532,018 shares; 2018Q4: 176,018 shares 176,018$7.24M2.13%-356,000
WILLSCOT CORPWILLSCOT CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: 211,582 shares; 2018Q4: 732,065 shares 732,065$6.9M2.03%+520,483
NOKNOKIA CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 1,100,000 shares 1,100,000$6.4M1.89%newTimeline
TALEND S ATALEND S AQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 157,000 shares 157,000$5.82M1.71%new
LIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELLIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 144,000 shares; 2018Q2: 144,000 shares; 2018Q3: 144,000 shares; 2018Q4: 144,000 shares 144,000$5.33M1.57%0
PYPLPAYPAL HLDGS INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 58,000 shares 58,000$4.88M1.44%newTimeline
SLMSLM CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 933,635 shares; 2018Q2: 1,350,000 shares; 2018Q3: 1,286,000 shares; 2018Q4: 500,000 shares 500,000$4.16M1.22%-786,000Timeline
GARDNER DENVER HLDGS INCGARDNER DENVER HLDGS INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: 110,000 shares; 2018Q3: 315,648 shares; 2018Q4: 203,000 shares 203,000$4.15M1.22%-112,648
OXSQOXFORD SQUARE CAP CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 603,000 shares; 2018Q2: 603,000 shares; 2018Q3: 603,000 shares; 2018Q4: 478,000 shares 478,000$3.09M0.91%-125,000Timeline
HALCON RES CORPHALCON RES CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: 1,450,000 shares; 2018Q4: 1,595,000 shares 1,595,000$2.71M0.8%+145,000
OXFORD LANE CAP CORPOXFORD LANE CAP CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 417,709 shares; 2018Q2: 417,709 shares; 2018Q3: 417,709 shares; 2018Q4: 274,252 shares 274,252$2.66M0.78%-143,457
LIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELLIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 72,000 shares; 2018Q2: 72,000 shares; 2018Q3: 72,000 shares; 2018Q4: 72,000 shares 72,000$2.65M0.78%0
LBRDKLIBERTY BROADBAND CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 36,000 shares; 2018Q2: 36,000 shares; 2018Q3: 36,000 shares; 2018Q4: 36,000 shares 36,000$2.59M0.76%0Timeline
CRMSALESFORCE INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 13,000 shares 13,000$1.78M0.52%newTimeline
VEUVANGUARD INTL EQUITY INDEX FQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 35,000 shares; 2018Q2: 35,000 shares; 2018Q3: 35,000 shares; 2018Q4: 35,000 shares 35,000$1.59M0.47%0Timeline
MFINMEDALLION FINANCIAL CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 300,000 shares; 2018Q2: 300,000 shares; 2018Q3: 300,000 shares; 2018Q4: 300,000 shares 300,000$1.41M0.41%0Timeline
LBRDALIBERTY BROADBAND CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 18,000 shares; 2018Q2: 18,000 shares; 2018Q3: 18,000 shares; 2018Q4: 18,000 shares 18,000$1.29M0.38%0Timeline
GLDSPDR GOLD TRQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 10,000 shares 10,000$1.21M0.36%newTimeline
LVSLAS VEGAS SANDS CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: 105,100 shares; 2018Q4: 23,000 shares 23,000$1.2M0.35%-82,100Timeline
HOSHORNBECK OFFSHORE SERVICES IQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 300,000 shares; 2018Q2: 300,000 shares; 2018Q3: 300,000 shares; 2018Q4: 212,000 shares 212,000$1.15M0.34%-88,000Timeline
LIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELLIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 36,000 shares; 2018Q2: 36,000 shares; 2018Q3: 36,000 shares; 2018Q4: 36,000 shares 36,000$1.1M0.33%0
NEW MEDIA INVT GROUP INCNEW MEDIA INVT GROUP INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 89,000 shares; 2018Q2: 94,000 shares; 2018Q3: 94,000 shares; 2018Q4: 94,000 shares 94,000$1.09M0.32%0
VYXNCR VOYIX CORPORATIONQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 40,000 shares 40,000$923K0.27%newTimeline
NOWSERVICENOW INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 5,100 shares 5,100$908K0.27%newTimeline
GDXJVANECK ETF TRUSTQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 30,000 shares 30,000$906K0.27%newTimeline
VWOVANGUARD INTL EQUITY INDEX FQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 20,000 shares; 2018Q2: 20,000 shares; 2018Q3: 20,000 shares; 2018Q4: 20,000 shares 20,000$762K0.22%0Timeline
LIBERTYLIBERTYQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 24,553 shares; 2018Q2: 24,553 shares; 2018Q3: 24,553 shares; 2018Q4: 24,553 shares 24,553$611K0.18%0
LIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELAWARELIBERTY MEDIA CORP DELAWAREQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 18,000 shares; 2018Q2: 18,000 shares; 2018Q3: 18,000 shares; 2018Q4: 18,000 shares 18,000$534K0.16%0
AQUA METALS INCAQUA METALS INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 553,000 shares; 2018Q2: 553,000 shares; 2018Q3: 503,000 shares; 2018Q4: 270,000 shares 270,000$491K0.14%-233,000
INTELSAT S AINTELSAT S AQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 22,486 shares 22,486$480K0.14%new
LIQTECH INTERNATIONALLIQTECH INTERNATIONALQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 259,000 shares; 2018Q2: 259,000 shares; 2018Q3: 259,000 shares; 2018Q4: 259,000 shares 259,000$354K0.1%0
CASTLIGHT HEALTH INC CL BCASTLIGHT HEALTH INC CL BQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 734,000 shares; 2018Q2: 734,000 shares; 2018Q3: 734,000 shares; 2018Q4: 130,000 shares 130,000$282K0.08%-604,000
MSFTMICROSOFT CORPQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: 228,000 shares; 2018Q2: 100,000 shares; 2018Q3: not reported; 2018Q4: 2,094 shares 2,094$212K0.06%newTimeline
MAXWELL TECHNOLOGIES INCMAXWELL TECHNOLOGIES INCQuarterly shares; oldest to newest; scale is this security's eight-quarter maximum; 2017Q1: restricted; 2017Q2: restricted; 2017Q3: restricted; 2017Q4: restricted; 2018Q1: not reported; 2018Q2: not reported; 2018Q3: 30,000 shares; 2018Q4: 30,000 shares 30,000$62K0.02%0

Options

Puts and calls, as filed. The amount and value describe the underlying shares, not the option premium, so they stay out of % of portfolio (H5).

SecurityTypeAmountValueChange
CALL (SLM) SLM CORP COM JAN…CALL (SLM) SLM CORP COM JAN18 7 CALLcall1,700$243Knew

Principal amounts

Notes and convertibles filed as a face amount (PRN). A face amount is never added to a share count (H6).

SecurityTypeAmountValueChange
HORNBECK OFFSHORE SVCS INC NHORNBECK OFFSHORE SVCS INC N NOTE 1.500 9/0principal3,000,000$2.2M0

Sold out in Q4 2018

Positions in the previous quarter's report that this quarter's report no longer lists.

SecurityShares beforeValue beforeType
TAT&T INC570,000$19.1Mshares
VMCVULCAN MATLS CO142,820$15.9Mshares
WPMWHEATON PRECIOUS METALS CORP669,300$11.7Mshares
MLMMARTIN MARIETTA MATLS INC56,616$10.3Mshares
MLCOMELCO RESORTS AND ENTMNT LTD341,000$7.21Mshares
CATCATERPILLAR INC42,125$6.42Mshares
LENLENNAR CORP62,831$2.93Mshares
ICHRICHOR HOLDINGS109,312$2.23Mshares
METAMETA PLATFORMS INC12,000$1.97Mshares
CMCSACOMCAST CORP NEW54,000$1.91Mshares
SINCLAIR BROADCAST GROUP INCSINCLAIR BROADCAST GROUP INC60,000$1.7Mshares
KMXCARMAX INC15,000$1.12Mshares
CALL (CMI) CUMMINS INC MAR1…CALL (CMI) CUMMINS INC MAR15 19 1…2,340$456Kcall
WMI HOLDINGS CORPWMI HOLDINGS CORP260,000$361Kshares
CALL (LVS) LAS VEGAS SANDS …CALL (LVS) LAS VEGAS SANDS JAN 18…2,900$345Kcall
ECO STIM ENERGY SOLUTIONS INECO STIM ENERGY SOLUTIONS IN165,894$54Kshares

How Q4 2018 was built

Available 13F filings of this filer for the quarter and their roles: the base report is the latest original or restatement, NEW HOLDINGS amendments filed after it are added (method).

FilingRoleAmendmentFiledAcceptedIngested
13F-HR 0000950123-19-000278 base2019-01-24acceptance time not in the bulk data set